Are you using the Pari Trek S? We've used ours with 110v AC power, 9v DC power and the optional battery. There is absolutely no difference in performance based on power source.
Though I've never gotten hung up on dosage - I just fill it up and nebulize for 10 minutes, then toss out what doesn't get used. 10 minutes of mist is ten minutes of mist. The main factor is how deeply you breathe in, in order to try to get the HP as deep inside as possible. It can take multiple treatments to get the sinuses completely drained, but once they are, the HP should be able to reach anything in there.
I've been following Pierre Kory's recent chlorine dioxide thread and recently purchased McCabe's Flood Your Body With Oxygen. I think ozone has helped clear out another 50 year chronic infection hidden behind a biofilm - in my bladder/urethra!
One comment about Marcia K.'s responses - she moved the goal posts on each one. That's a classic logical fallacy.
Very good. I use H2O2 food grade nebulizing up to 3%. My girlfriend uses 1%. A number of MD's recommend adding Lugols to it. You may want to become acquainted with chlorine dioxide. I use it topically and internally. Dr Andreas Kalcker (father of modern CLO2) is on Substack and lists all the protocols including Vaxxx injury.
Save yourself time & money. allmedplus.com sells a Drive Medical nebulizer for $29.95. + one box of 100 5ml normal saline vials for $17.95. No shipping no handling. No prescription is needed. Sorry to say folks, but a plug in nebulizer is much more reliable than a battery operated nebulizer. A battery one will wear out quickly. It just can't handle much. The only thing you have to buy is one bottle of 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide & a mask. The hydrogen peroxide can be bought at a health food store or online at Amazon (sorry to say), as well as the mask.
$29.95 neb. $17.95 saline, $19.95 2 masks & med cup, $10 hydrogen peroxide. For approx $80 you can get 100 nebulizer treatments. It will keep you out of the hospital & your doctors office. Say goodbye to sore throats, nasal congestions, flu, RSV, co19 etc.
There is no difference in reliability or capacity of the Pari nebulizer on AC power or battery. It’s the same device, just a different power source.
We purchased the optional battery when he had to take an extended road trip during COVID. It worked flawlessly and not having a cord to deal with was a significant plus. But if we didn’t have the need to be on the road so long, the additional expense would not have been justified.
I'm grateful for your article because it reminds me to tell my son to try doing it more frequently for a few extra days to try to clear the chronic sinusitis!
My experience using both types of nebulizers with my children and husband, is that if we are traveling, the battery option nebulizer is fine and better than nothing or waiting in a hotel room or being without on an airplane. BUT, it takes 3x as long to deliver the same dose as it does with the plug in one. If all you have ever used, is the battery powered one and not needed a dose specific amount to get a result, you wouldn't necessarily know this. Which is 100% great that it works for you. However, if you compare the output of the two types, the plug in one has a bigger power source/motor and thus delivers the dose more time efficiently. Which when you have a 2yo who hates it, or an adult who needs to be on that call in 10 minutes, is a BIG deal. I'm not saying any of this to diss your recommendation as I support it 100%! I am however saying that if you are using it at home mostly, then the plug in one is the better way to go. Most people don't want to be tied to the neb for 10-15 minutes several times a day, which is what is required for the plug in one, let alone doubling or tripling that time to get the same dose via a battery one. I'm grateful we invested in both, but it was out of necessity with kids with asthma and respiratory issues who needed it at various times. Most memorable use was on the trip to the Grand Canyon using it during one very long drive in the rental car and the darn thing taking forever. That was when I figured out the battery issue and that the two machines were not created the exact same. It worked. But my 2yo HATED IT. And, they are noisy.
The power source is what I am referring to. I provided patients with respiratory needs for over 22 yrs. Oxygen, ventilators, nebulizers, cpaps, bipaps etc. Portable/rechargeable nebulizers (that worked off batteries for car use) were known to have short life spans requiring more repairs & frequent replacements (compared to standard nebs). Nebulizers that plugged into an electrical outlet were always more reliable & outlasted the battery/rechargeable kind.
I am aware that there are times when a battery/rechargeable nebulizer serves it's purpose (as it did for you). I share my experience for those people who have limited funds & want a more reliable piece of equipment.
I am not referring to the olden days, nor just the battery. Their internal compressor/motor isn't made for constant & everyday use. This is not just my opinion. The manufacturer's paperwork to the durable medical equipment supplier (not the consumer) states this information. It invalidates the warrantee. For here & there use they serve their purpose. (for that occasional trip or when the electrical power is down) Even Dr. Mercola has changed their position on them & agreed that the battery/rechargeable ones do not hold up. Also, Dr. Thomas Levy has mentioned it too.
You started with an inaccurate, hyperbolic statement, and now you are doubling down with complete nonsense.
In the past 21 years, I've read Dr. Mercola daily, and I've read an average of at least one book on health, diet or exercise every week. I've also read pretty much everything Thomas Levy has ever written. That's more than 7,500 Mercola articles and at least 1,000 books. I've never read Mercola or Levy opine on power source for a nebulizer.
How does "constant and everyday use" relate in any way to power source? The compressor doesn't care if the power is AC, DC from a battery or DC from a cigarette lighter plug. It's all DC power when it gets to the compressor.
Both Dr. Mercola & Dr. Levy were interviewed many times during the last 2-yrs. Both stated their updated positions in those interviews, they did not write it in their books.
Nice to hear of alternatives, Marcia. Is this your affiliate page? What would you say are the advantages of this model over the other plug-in nebulizer?
I am not affiliated with that website or the manufacturer (Drive Medical). I have no financial gain in this recommendation. I have taken care of very poor patients/people for many years. (many with no insurance or do not qualify for public aid) I am often asked by people for an affordable nebulizer recommendation that does not ask for a prescription. I came across this affordable option as they also do sell the box of saline vials & do not charge for shipping. I would prefer to pay less & not use Amazon. Drive Medical makes a decent reliable nebulizer that most can afford. ($29.95 & no shipping costs). Respironics is usually considered a better manufacturer, but costs much more money.
I suspect you are correct, and I wouldn't doubt that the two could be used interchangeably. My limited understanding is that they both freely donate oxygen ions that the body uses to restore homeostasis. Both are fairly cheap, though hydrogen peroxide is ready to use and found in most local stores.
I was so excited about your article because of the beneficial “side effect” you mentioned from nebulizing H2O2! For years my husband had a dark brown spot on his face, right side above his cheek. It worsened over time and I kept on him to go see a dermatologist as I was concerned about cancer. Instead, he tried an over the counter antibiotic ointment (I think Neosporin?) and applied daily. Don’t know why. It worked!!! The spot resolved after a couple of weeks! He had had it for years! So YES I do believe infections in the sinuses or skin(?) can cause darkened areas on the skin. Also, I myself have nebulized H2O2 whenever I feel congested and it helps a great deal! Always feel better after nebulizing. Thanks for sharing your story!
I used the nebulizer with saline solution. If it was a sinus infection, I'd add a drop of Lugol's and one of food grade hydrogen peroxide. Works every time.
I eat beef liver now and then, but never made a connection that it has an antihistamine effect.
I used a DAO supplement for a while, in an attempt to counteract the histadine in some cheap wine (which breaks down to histamine). It seemed to work initially, but then didn’t.
Good heavens! I'm not sure how it could get cheaper or easier, especially if we give the neti pot a go. And the nebulizer is about the price of a co-pay. Thank you.
Good stuff! I just went through a miserable time with what was probably an RSV upper resp. inf. The most miserable cold of my life. I wish I had learned nebulizing. The Mercola article is behind paywall. How do I know what nebulizer to get?
I am stoked about getting a new nebbie as backup. I like the idea of battery, as poweer outs are fairly common where I live. I am envious of your intentional foray onto SS to share your experiences. I have "subscribers" and "followers" but no idea what that means or how this works. I can hit the "restack" button when I find something that impresses me but have no idea where it goes. I see there is a button to include a sentence or two with a restack but there appears no way to write after selecting. You are brave and helpful, thankyou for reaching out to me.
We had to do some road trips during COVID, so we belatedly got the battery option, despite the significant expense. We stopped at a store in MN and I started getting cold/flu symptoms. I nebulized while my wife drove, and two hours later the sniffles were completely gone. And it's handy around the house not having to find a free outlet where it is convenient to sit for 10 minutes or so.
The way I understand things is that if you write a post (not a note and perhaps not a restack), your subscribers get notified by email and your followers get notified in the app. But it's clear as mud to me as well. I think a lot of what is on SS is not yet functional, but is there for future upgrades.
Been doing it since start of' Covid'.. Works like magic. I do it whether I need to or not. Great for the eyes as well. Had the beginnings of a skin tag on my eyelid.. Fell off after a week.
A nebulizer treatment will get into more parts of the sinuses than a Navage or neti pot will. Effectiveness will depend upon what and where the problem is. If you've got a chronic infection in your upper sinuses, I don't think the Navage can do the trick. And if your infection is in a part of the sinuses that isn't reached by the Navage treatment, it probably won't help very much. For sinusitis, I doubt being inhaled into the lungs has a significant effect. But for a respiratory infection the nebulized HP is able to cover all the bases.
Are you using the Pari Trek S? We've used ours with 110v AC power, 9v DC power and the optional battery. There is absolutely no difference in performance based on power source.
Though I've never gotten hung up on dosage - I just fill it up and nebulize for 10 minutes, then toss out what doesn't get used. 10 minutes of mist is ten minutes of mist. The main factor is how deeply you breathe in, in order to try to get the HP as deep inside as possible. It can take multiple treatments to get the sinuses completely drained, but once they are, the HP should be able to reach anything in there.
I've been following Pierre Kory's recent chlorine dioxide thread and recently purchased McCabe's Flood Your Body With Oxygen. I think ozone has helped clear out another 50 year chronic infection hidden behind a biofilm - in my bladder/urethra!
One comment about Marcia K.'s responses - she moved the goal posts on each one. That's a classic logical fallacy.
Very good. I use H2O2 food grade nebulizing up to 3%. My girlfriend uses 1%. A number of MD's recommend adding Lugols to it. You may want to become acquainted with chlorine dioxide. I use it topically and internally. Dr Andreas Kalcker (father of modern CLO2) is on Substack and lists all the protocols including Vaxxx injury.
I do know about CDS and Kalcker. I have the recipe for nebulizing CDS, but thus far I haven't needed it. It's my option 3.
I used CDS topically on actinic keratoses. It worked great, but only gave symptom relief. Once I stopped things quickly returned to the way they were.
Save yourself time & money. allmedplus.com sells a Drive Medical nebulizer for $29.95. + one box of 100 5ml normal saline vials for $17.95. No shipping no handling. No prescription is needed. Sorry to say folks, but a plug in nebulizer is much more reliable than a battery operated nebulizer. A battery one will wear out quickly. It just can't handle much. The only thing you have to buy is one bottle of 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide & a mask. The hydrogen peroxide can be bought at a health food store or online at Amazon (sorry to say), as well as the mask.
www.amazon.com/Packs-Nebulizer-Replacement-Kit-Adults/dp/B0CQPK7MLX/ref=asc_df_B0CQPK7MLX?mcid=b0a4c42d0f5a3833ba9a2ce19b2671f1&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693071814211&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10469805356386235972&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021765&hvtargid=pla-2282120958931&psc=1...
$29.95 neb. $17.95 saline, $19.95 2 masks & med cup, $10 hydrogen peroxide. For approx $80 you can get 100 nebulizer treatments. It will keep you out of the hospital & your doctors office. Say goodbye to sore throats, nasal congestions, flu, RSV, co19 etc.
There is no difference in reliability or capacity of the Pari nebulizer on AC power or battery. It’s the same device, just a different power source.
We purchased the optional battery when he had to take an extended road trip during COVID. It worked flawlessly and not having a cord to deal with was a significant plus. But if we didn’t have the need to be on the road so long, the additional expense would not have been justified.
I'm grateful for your article because it reminds me to tell my son to try doing it more frequently for a few extra days to try to clear the chronic sinusitis!
My experience using both types of nebulizers with my children and husband, is that if we are traveling, the battery option nebulizer is fine and better than nothing or waiting in a hotel room or being without on an airplane. BUT, it takes 3x as long to deliver the same dose as it does with the plug in one. If all you have ever used, is the battery powered one and not needed a dose specific amount to get a result, you wouldn't necessarily know this. Which is 100% great that it works for you. However, if you compare the output of the two types, the plug in one has a bigger power source/motor and thus delivers the dose more time efficiently. Which when you have a 2yo who hates it, or an adult who needs to be on that call in 10 minutes, is a BIG deal. I'm not saying any of this to diss your recommendation as I support it 100%! I am however saying that if you are using it at home mostly, then the plug in one is the better way to go. Most people don't want to be tied to the neb for 10-15 minutes several times a day, which is what is required for the plug in one, let alone doubling or tripling that time to get the same dose via a battery one. I'm grateful we invested in both, but it was out of necessity with kids with asthma and respiratory issues who needed it at various times. Most memorable use was on the trip to the Grand Canyon using it during one very long drive in the rental car and the darn thing taking forever. That was when I figured out the battery issue and that the two machines were not created the exact same. It worked. But my 2yo HATED IT. And, they are noisy.
The power source is what I am referring to. I provided patients with respiratory needs for over 22 yrs. Oxygen, ventilators, nebulizers, cpaps, bipaps etc. Portable/rechargeable nebulizers (that worked off batteries for car use) were known to have short life spans requiring more repairs & frequent replacements (compared to standard nebs). Nebulizers that plugged into an electrical outlet were always more reliable & outlasted the battery/rechargeable kind.
I am aware that there are times when a battery/rechargeable nebulizer serves it's purpose (as it did for you). I share my experience for those people who have limited funds & want a more reliable piece of equipment.
Maybe back in Olden Times with grandma's battery tech. Not with today's tech and for personal use.
I am not referring to the olden days, nor just the battery. Their internal compressor/motor isn't made for constant & everyday use. This is not just my opinion. The manufacturer's paperwork to the durable medical equipment supplier (not the consumer) states this information. It invalidates the warrantee. For here & there use they serve their purpose. (for that occasional trip or when the electrical power is down) Even Dr. Mercola has changed their position on them & agreed that the battery/rechargeable ones do not hold up. Also, Dr. Thomas Levy has mentioned it too.
You started with an inaccurate, hyperbolic statement, and now you are doubling down with complete nonsense.
In the past 21 years, I've read Dr. Mercola daily, and I've read an average of at least one book on health, diet or exercise every week. I've also read pretty much everything Thomas Levy has ever written. That's more than 7,500 Mercola articles and at least 1,000 books. I've never read Mercola or Levy opine on power source for a nebulizer.
How does "constant and everyday use" relate in any way to power source? The compressor doesn't care if the power is AC, DC from a battery or DC from a cigarette lighter plug. It's all DC power when it gets to the compressor.
How does non-consumer use relate to my article?
Both Dr. Mercola & Dr. Levy were interviewed many times during the last 2-yrs. Both stated their updated positions in those interviews, they did not write it in their books.
Well allmedplus sold out of the Drive nebulizer. Another option is:
https://www.oxygenconcentratorsupplies.com/blue-jay-take-a-breathtm-compressor-nebulizer $29.99 for a BlueJay one. Again, I have no affiliation with any companies. Just passing on a fair priced option for someone in need..
Nice to hear of alternatives, Marcia. Is this your affiliate page? What would you say are the advantages of this model over the other plug-in nebulizer?
I am not affiliated with that website or the manufacturer (Drive Medical). I have no financial gain in this recommendation. I have taken care of very poor patients/people for many years. (many with no insurance or do not qualify for public aid) I am often asked by people for an affordable nebulizer recommendation that does not ask for a prescription. I came across this affordable option as they also do sell the box of saline vials & do not charge for shipping. I would prefer to pay less & not use Amazon. Drive Medical makes a decent reliable nebulizer that most can afford. ($29.95 & no shipping costs). Respironics is usually considered a better manufacturer, but costs much more money.
I use hydrogen peroxide everyday to rinse my mouth out after brushing.
Perhaps chlorine dioxide and hydrogen peroxide share a similar mechanism: https://clo2xuewuliu.substack.com/p/14-treating-rhinitis-with-chlorine?utm_source=publication-search
I suspect you are correct, and I wouldn't doubt that the two could be used interchangeably. My limited understanding is that they both freely donate oxygen ions that the body uses to restore homeostasis. Both are fairly cheap, though hydrogen peroxide is ready to use and found in most local stores.
I was so excited about your article because of the beneficial “side effect” you mentioned from nebulizing H2O2! For years my husband had a dark brown spot on his face, right side above his cheek. It worsened over time and I kept on him to go see a dermatologist as I was concerned about cancer. Instead, he tried an over the counter antibiotic ointment (I think Neosporin?) and applied daily. Don’t know why. It worked!!! The spot resolved after a couple of weeks! He had had it for years! So YES I do believe infections in the sinuses or skin(?) can cause darkened areas on the skin. Also, I myself have nebulized H2O2 whenever I feel congested and it helps a great deal! Always feel better after nebulizing. Thanks for sharing your story!
I used the nebulizer with saline solution. If it was a sinus infection, I'd add a drop of Lugol's and one of food grade hydrogen peroxide. Works every time.
Have you tried bovine kidney? It has DAO which breaks down excess histamine. Seems to work for me.
I eat beef liver now and then, but never made a connection that it has an antihistamine effect.
I used a DAO supplement for a while, in an attempt to counteract the histadine in some cheap wine (which breaks down to histamine). It seemed to work initially, but then didn’t.
Fascinating!
Thanks for the info!
Thank you 🙏 I will try it
Good heavens! I'm not sure how it could get cheaper or easier, especially if we give the neti pot a go. And the nebulizer is about the price of a co-pay. Thank you.
FYI. …. Dr Thomas E Levy MD gets the credit for the nebulizing Mercola talks about.
https://rvr.medfoxpub.com/
Yeah, Mercola credits Brownstein. But I think it was Levy's book on rapid virus recovery that made me pull the trigger.
Dr Brownstien is a winner for iodine information!
Klimer, your header needs fixing. :-)
Good stuff! I just went through a miserable time with what was probably an RSV upper resp. inf. The most miserable cold of my life. I wish I had learned nebulizing. The Mercola article is behind paywall. How do I know what nebulizer to get?
I added a postscript to the article, with details of my nebulizer purchase. There's even a 30% off sale until March 11th! Here is the updated link:
https://eclectichealing.substack.com/p/hydrogen-peroxide-and-chronic-sinutis?r=1azvtv
Thank you! One more question. The page for the trek s model says, prescription required. Huh?
That’s new from 5 years ago. The FDA must have stepped in to squelch the competition to mainstream medicine.
Try Googling. This one doesn’t state up front that prescription is required:
https://sleeplay.com/products/pari-trek-s-portable-compressor-nebulizer?variant=43605457404035&tw_source=bing&tw_campaign=603575177&utm_term=1340307156449705&tw_adid=83769472128548&msclkid=b56a09a8b8ec148b07616e655412860b&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=RM_Smart-Shopping_US&utm_content=Ad%20group%20%231
I am stoked about getting a new nebbie as backup. I like the idea of battery, as poweer outs are fairly common where I live. I am envious of your intentional foray onto SS to share your experiences. I have "subscribers" and "followers" but no idea what that means or how this works. I can hit the "restack" button when I find something that impresses me but have no idea where it goes. I see there is a button to include a sentence or two with a restack but there appears no way to write after selecting. You are brave and helpful, thankyou for reaching out to me.
We had to do some road trips during COVID, so we belatedly got the battery option, despite the significant expense. We stopped at a store in MN and I started getting cold/flu symptoms. I nebulized while my wife drove, and two hours later the sniffles were completely gone. And it's handy around the house not having to find a free outlet where it is convenient to sit for 10 minutes or so.
The way I understand things is that if you write a post (not a note and perhaps not a restack), your subscribers get notified by email and your followers get notified in the app. But it's clear as mud to me as well. I think a lot of what is on SS is not yet functional, but is there for future upgrades.
Been doing it since start of' Covid'.. Works like magic. I do it whether I need to or not. Great for the eyes as well. Had the beginnings of a skin tag on my eyelid.. Fell off after a week.
FWIW, I squirt a shot of H2O2 in a Navage device that works great on the sinus, IMO.
Yes, but a nebulizer is much more effective.
Is it more effective because it is inhaled into the lungs?
A nebulizer treatment will get into more parts of the sinuses than a Navage or neti pot will. Effectiveness will depend upon what and where the problem is. If you've got a chronic infection in your upper sinuses, I don't think the Navage can do the trick. And if your infection is in a part of the sinuses that isn't reached by the Navage treatment, it probably won't help very much. For sinusitis, I doubt being inhaled into the lungs has a significant effect. But for a respiratory infection the nebulized HP is able to cover all the bases.
This is great! But as a beginner what is 'normal saline? TIA.
It is distilled water with .9% sodium chloride added. You can find it in any drug store or Walmart.
Thx!